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Post by KLT Thu 19 Feb 2009, 12:38 am

I would like peoples opinion on a design im working on for my final project at uni.

It will be for the south coast of Guernsey, around the cliffs and beaches.


The design will primarily be for cliff and dog walkers, locals and tourists, people who are interested in nature and the views of the coast, or just for people who want get away from the hustle and bustle of life.

It will encourage the user to explore parts of the coast which are currently not easily accessable. For example: over and around the rocks. Taking them on a safe journey around the site, but keeping a sense of adventure.

The design will have to respect and complement the area and its wildlife. encouraging the growth of plants and hopefully become the home of some wildlife, for the public to see.

I would like honest opinions, as if this would actually go ahead.

Thank you for your time

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Post by Dell Fri 20 Feb 2009, 8:29 pm

KLT, you have not had any responses as people may not understand what it is that you are after! Perhaps you would provide an example so that we know what you are after?

In my opinion, nature has provided us with an absolutely marvelous diverse coastline, unique to many other parts of the word and I would not like to see it 'sculptured' or interfered with as it would be false and not the real thing! Leave well alone and enjoy the tremendous views as they are!
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Post by bug1 Fri 20 Feb 2009, 11:42 pm

Exactly.A few million years have "designed" Guernsey and it's quite
happy.Please find a more constructive/useful project.
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Post by KLT Fri 20 Feb 2009, 11:45 pm

For example:
A wooden bridge like path which went over and around rocks. So you can see more views, explore the nature etc.
It would only be a temporary structure so no damage is made to the existing area.

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Post by Troy McClure Fri 20 Feb 2009, 11:57 pm

The trouble with the cliff paths and their users (in Jersey at least) is that you can't do anything to make them more accessible without people complaining that you're ruining them and destroying nature for 'everybody' to enjoy... only it's not everybody enjoying them, it's just those few people who would complain if they became more accessible and popular.

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Post by Spirit Sat 21 Feb 2009, 12:06 am

Couldn't see you getting it past the Health & Safety Police
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Post by Troy McClure Sat 21 Feb 2009, 12:15 am

Spirit, good point; I know the former owner of a chunk of Jersey's north coast, which include a part of very picturesque cliff path I used to enjoy walking done to the sea on as a child. The bay/cove is now only accessible by those lucky enough to have access to a boat because of health and safety issues and insurance... and of course because they couldn't improve access due to planning laws.

Shame nobody can enjoy that area anymore.

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Post by KLT Sat 21 Feb 2009, 12:21 am

I think there is always those 'few' people who complain about everything in guernsey that is slightly creative.

Projects around the beach and sea have worked in different places in the world succesfully, and i was just trying to give the opportunity for Guernsey to have an interesting and different way of experiencing part of the coast.

As for health and safety - its currently only a university project.

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Post by Thistle Sat 21 Feb 2009, 6:49 am

it should be kept that way .the coast of guernsey is spectacular as it is.no artificial construction could improve on what is ther already.more access to these areas would ruin them and frighten off the wildlife.
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Post by karma Sat 21 Feb 2009, 9:17 am

With apologies KLT (and feeling like a dinasaur) I have to agree - it is a bit difficult to improve on perfection...however, this may be a minority view :-)
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Post by KLT Sat 21 Feb 2009, 12:35 pm

I was hoping for more constructive critisism but as usual as soon as someone mentions the word design or change on the island people immediatly get on the defensive without thinking about it.

I think some bits of my project have been misunderstood.
There was a particular site i was looking at 'improving' down jerbourg.
It has horrendous steps, with barriers everywhere blocking off old steps and tons of rubbish is collected into the cove of the area. Also speaking to a person down on the beach (who thought my idea was interesting), he said that the day before a dead dolphin was washed up on the beach.
So are you going to tell me that doesnt deter nature, or 'ruin' the natural aesthetics of the cliffs?

Being a student who is studying away from Guernsey and wanting to move home at the end of this year, i have to say you are putting me off moving back. And people are wondering why there is an increasing number of students who dont move back home after University

I am going to hapilly and enthusiastically carry on with my project, not letting this get me down.

thank you

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Post by kingcolemk Sat 21 Feb 2009, 1:37 pm

You asked for 'honest opinions', and you got 'em.

I hope you take note of them. The South coast of Guernsey is among the most beautiful and unspoilt of any in the World, most people would like it to stay that way, thank you very much.

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Post by Chok Dee Ja Sat 21 Feb 2009, 2:08 pm

KLT wrote:I was hoping for more constructive critisism but as usual as soon as someone mentions the word design or change on the island people immediatly get on the defensive without thinking about it.

I think some bits of my project have been misunderstood.
There was a particular site i was looking at 'improving' down jerbourg.
It has horrendous steps, with barriers everywhere blocking off old steps and tons of rubbish is collected into the cove of the area. Also speaking to a person down on the beach (who thought my idea was interesting), he said that the day before a dead dolphin was washed up on the beach.
So are you going to tell me that doesnt deter nature, or 'ruin' the natural aesthetics of the cliffs?

Being a student who is studying away from Guernsey and wanting to move home at the end of this year, i have to say you are putting me off moving back. And people are wondering why there is an increasing number of students who dont move back home after University

I am going to hapilly and enthusiastically carry on with my project, not letting this get me down.

thank you


Good luck with your project i agree with your ideas and principles,people who claim Guernsey has 'the best" cliff walks,views etc etc need a reality check its a big wide world out there and Guernsey is far from the best.

I dont see the tourists flocking to Guernsey to enjoy these wonderful cliff walks and views,i wonder why that is ?

One mistake you are making is the wanting to move back home,go and explore the world and enjoy life :)

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Post by kingcolemk Sat 21 Feb 2009, 2:55 pm

Because, fortunately for most of us, they seem to prefer Lanzagrotty etc. Gawd knows why.

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Post by Dell Sat 21 Feb 2009, 5:07 pm

KLT, you would probably receive more responses akin to what you have in your own mind if you put your ideas to young adults in or near to your own age group. Many of the members of vue des isles are a couple of years (ahem..... using poetic licence here!) older than you and would appear to fall into the group of leaving well alone. You could use this as a balance to the younger peoples ideas in your project rather than having the same or similar views!

I would suggest that you use a social networking site such as facebook and look for Guernsey groups or links to Guernsey school and you may get a better response. Opinion on a possible design for the coast and cliffs of Guernsey Medium-smiley-060

It would be nice to get updated by you once you have finished the project to see how you have got on. Opinion on a possible design for the coast and cliffs of Guernsey Medium-smiley-052

Hope this is helpful to you and good luck. Opinion on a possible design for the coast and cliffs of Guernsey Action-smiley-052
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Post by Thistle Sun 22 Feb 2009, 9:13 am

guernsey inland has already been changed beyond recognition by outside forces .please leave the coasts alone for future genearations to admire
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Post by Troy McClure Sun 22 Feb 2009, 9:55 am

What do you mean by outside forces? Doesn't Guernsey have control of it's own development? You should do what Jersey has done and pass laws to control development.

Then tear down any coastal development such as sea walls, breakwaters and harbours etc. and return the coast to nature; utopia.

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Post by Dell Sun 22 Feb 2009, 10:14 am

Utopia:

a book written by Sir Thomas More (1516) describing the perfect society on an imaginary island
ideally perfect state; especially in its social and political and moral aspects
a work of fiction describing a utopia
an imaginary place considered to be perfect or ideal

Just about describes Guernsey & Jersey!!

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Post by Thistle Sun 22 Feb 2009, 10:15 am

designers designing buildings only suited to jersey or the uk.example roseville,admiral park etc etc etc.
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Post by Troy McClure Sun 22 Feb 2009, 10:29 am

Not sure what you mean Thistle, are you saying those are utopian ideals? I'd disagree, but each to their own I guess.

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Post by Thistle Sun 22 Feb 2009, 11:10 am

you know i am not troy but you will always have to have a go at whatever i put up.they are damned ugly buildings not suited to guernsey is what i was saying.
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Post by KLT Sun 22 Feb 2009, 5:08 pm

i would like to thank Chok Dee Ja and Dell for their nice and helpfull imput.

And unfortunatly thistle you cannot stop island delvelopment, but i do agree that admiral park is not a nice building.

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Post by Digger Sun 22 Feb 2009, 7:47 pm

Hi KLT I would like to see your plans just out of interest , but my opinion is you cannot improve perfection now can you . I have seen many changes in this island over the years not for the better many of them . The south coast is the only place you can go and see an unspoilt part of the island , its a place you an go and enjoy peace and quiet sit and relax , all made buy nature i think it should stay like that , sorry but this are my feelings on the issue.
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Post by Digger Sun 22 Feb 2009, 8:55 pm

Some posts have been deleted as they were way of topic . Could you please stay on topic. Thank you !
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Post by KLT Sun 22 Feb 2009, 9:22 pm

Hey digger, yes i will definately be showing you all my design at the end of it all. I think you will be pleasently suprised :ss1:

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