Petition against the Incinerator plus march

please follow the link and sign the petiton


http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/guernsey-campaign-against-incinerator

Wonderful!!! No Guernsey or even Channel Islands - so I pressed on only to be told that my Zip/Postal Code was too short!!! so wouldn't accept my vote!!!!!! no use putting UK on a Guernsey protest either.....

put my postcode in capitals karma .i was able to sign it.i was annoyed no guernsy or channel islands so had to put uk.

Why would people in the UK lend clout to a cause that is exclusive to Guernsey???? that just makes me want to switch off - if David de Lisle organised it - it is not really good enough!!!!

What is wrong with an Incinerator ? It is the cleanest and safest way of refuse disposal. Have you been past the tip lately, it stinks 'orrible.

Do you live in St Sampsons - we already get the 'stuff' that spews out of the Electricity Company's towering infernos!!!! IMO we do not need any more pollution in such a highly populated area and if you were listening to the 'Sunday Phone In' last week there was a guy from Jersey who was responsible in part for the Jersey incinerator and he was saying to Guernsey to not go down the same road - as the long term health hazzards are just now beginning to appear!!! If we have any sense we learn from other people's experiments!

A PROTEST march against plans for a large incinerator will be held next Sunday.

The march, from Salerie Corner to Longue Hougue, is being organised by a local couple, with support from Friends of the Earth Guernsey Branch.

Peter and Lisa Burtenshaw feel States members should take more time looking at other options before passing the Public Services Department’s £93m. plans to build an incinerator.

‘We know that we need something because we can’t carry on sending things to landfill, but we need something that is going to be cost effective, environmentally friendly, multi-purpose, will maximise revenue and something that has no harmful toxins involved,’ said Mr Burtenshaw.

‘PSD’s incinerator doesn’t cover any of these things and it will spew out many toxins, which isn’t good for the population or the environment.’

He said they were not wholly against an incinerator.

‘We need something environmentally friendly, and they need to look hard at all the options and what ticks the right boxes.’

PSD’s plans for a combined sorting and recycling facility and energy from a waste plant have been criticised by many islanders.

Other suggestions have been made, including the Rational Alternative, which would see two micro-incinerators being built.
(from thisisguernsey)

karma wrote:Do you live in St Sampsons - we already get the 'stuff' that spews out of the Electricity Company's towering infernos!!!! IMO we do not need any more pollution in such a highly populated area and if you were listening to the 'Sunday Phone In' last week there was a guy from Jersey who was responsible in part for the Jersey incinerator and he was saying to Guernsey to not go down the same road - as the long term health hazzards are just now beginning to appear!!! If we have any sense we learn from other people's experiments!

Modern Incinerators are equipped with highly efficient emmission scrubbers. They cannot in any way be compared to the antiquated St Sampson chimneys.

Are they bollocks. As the enviroterrorists say.

kingcolemk, they may well be better than they used to be, but does Guernsey want to tie itself in to hundreds of millions for a plant that may well be breaching environmental regulations in the near future as the epidemiological studies into PM2.5s become accepted (as they are increasingly in the US), and require retro fitting and keep paying for inefficient power and obsolete technology for 25 years to a foreign company raking it in from the finance deal?

We do need a way to get rid of our waste ,this has been going on for many years now .
In this time we have still not come up with an all singing dancing way to get rid of our rubbish.

In this day and age we need to reuse and recycle as much as we can
and burn the rest in an manner that will be safe for us all .
Our surrounding area must be protected as we live in such a small island it is important we get it right .
If we have to share with Jersey so be it ,but we will need to export our rubbish in a safe way .
i do know of a huge boat that could be filled with rubbish to send to them already so this cost has already been met!

Sending all the rubbish to Jersey sounds good to me........ :PMSL:

a very good turnout for the protest against the incinerator.well done to everybody involved

yes it was a very good turn out ..shame i did not take a drink with me ...

yes well done everybody - lets hope it is not too late (I had more hope when Scott Ogier was on our side.....now I'm not so sure)

Well what do we do now? Can we lobby all the deputies on this Forum?

Suez was a multinational corporation, or MNC, based in France that ran
water, waste management, electricity, natural gas, and, for a short
time, telecommunications projects across the world. In 2008, Suez
merged with the powerful French company Gaz de France to create GDF
Suez, a utility company. The waste treatment and water components of
the former Suez were rolled into a new multinational corporation called
Suez Environnement.

Suez had a long and complex history with
roots tracing back to the Netherlands in 1822 and including mergers and
breaks with several companies. The name Suez came from its
participation with the building of the Suez Canal in the middle 1800s.
After joining the company in 1984 as Vice President, Gérard Mestrallet
climbed up in the company to become chairman and chief executive
officer (CEO) in 2001. He held this position when the merger with Gaz
de France took place and then transferred to become CEO of Suez
Environnement.

The merger caused considerable controversy in
France, since the state previously had a governing share of ownership
of Gaz de France. When the plan was first announced in February of
2006, French Prime Minister Villepin and President Sarkozy were at odds
over the merger, with Villepin supporting the two-way merger and
Sarkozy promoting a deal that would allow the French state to maintain
its controlling share.

As the two reached an agreement to let
the deal go ahead, leftist opposition throughout the country continued
to raise objections over the privatization of Gaz de France, fearing
price hikes. Plans went on in spite of the criticism, however, and
French laws and Gaz de France shares were restructured to allow the
deal to take place. On 22 July 2008 Suez and Gaz de France officially
merged to form GDF Suez, the second largest utility company in the
world.

The water and waste divisions of the former Suez became
their own company, Suez Environnement, of which GDF Suez owns a
substantial share. These divisions had their beginnings with La Société
Lyonnaise des Eaux et de l'Eclairage, which managed the water supply in
Cannes, France beginning in 1880. Operations have evolved to include
catchment, treatment, and distribution of drinking water, purification
of industrial water, and the collection, treatment, recycling, energy
recovery, incineration, and landfill depositing of waste. Suez
Environnement has several subsidiaries, including United Water, Ondeo,
Degrémont, Sita, and Safege.

As one of the largest water
companies in the world, Suez has come under fire from critics of water
privatization worldwide. The company has suffered several public
relations injuries due to water privatization debacles, notably a
corruption scandal in Grenoble, the loss of its contract with Atlanta,
Georgia, and contract re-negotiations in the Philippines.
Anti-privatization activists and non-governmental organizations (NGOs)
such as Food and Water Watch claim Suez has exploited the poor,
over-billed its consumers, and not delivered on its contractual
obligations. Suez maintains that it has upheld its contracts, improved
water accessibility and quality in its contracted areas, and has had
far more success than failure with its water contracts.

I think that the sentance stating that 'we do not support incineration of any sort what so ever' indicates a very closed mind attitude and an unwillingness to listen to any discussions to the contrary.

That would be about right bearing in mind it's coming out of Pete Burtenshaw's mouth.

He is unwilling to listen to anyone apart from himself, whether it's incineration, drugs. the finance industry, whatever. Hence he wasn't voted in at the deputies' election and had to stand for the douzaine, against a rabbit from L'Ancresse common and a sheep from the L'Eree aerodrome.

G-CAN (and I can't speak for them) would probably not support incineration if there were time to propose a non-burn option. The micro units would be as a stop gap until the etch comes online. The whole point is that they can be bought, set up and decommissioned with ease, as opposed to buying a 25 year contract of a beast that will require decontaminating and a completely uncosted environmental exercise.

all has been lost .the states have voted yes for the incinerator

That will be the end of the new schools plan then.

I trust memories are long enough to know who NOT to vote in at the next electioin!!!!