Should Bernard flouquet resign ? "D Day"

Pete Burtenshaw wrote:

Chok Dee Ja wrote:Nothing wrong with praising any place but there needs to be a bit of realism involved,i also find it very hard to believe that people walk away from their happiest times of their lives,you normally leave somewere either because your unhappy or you want to improve yourself,if neither of these happen when you move, its normal to return back home.

The fact he didnt return home,may suggest hes happier were he is :roll:

I know you may find this hard to grasp Pete,but there is life beyond Guernsey :-)


And finally who could possibly leave Humble Fred And The Blue Streaks :evil:

Choc Dee, for the record I have traveled and lived outside of Gsy so that scuppers your theory. Equally, it matters not one bit if I have never left the island I can still have an opinion of a wide spectrum of issues and events so stop being so blinkered.

What theory ?

Chok Dee Ja wrote:

Pete Burtenshaw wrote:

Chok Dee Ja wrote:Nothing wrong with praising any place but there needs to be a bit of realism involved,i also find it very hard to believe that people walk away from their happiest times of their lives,you normally leave somewere either because your unhappy or you want to improve yourself,if neither of these happen when you move, its normal to return back home.

The fact he didnt return home,may suggest hes happier were he is :roll:

I know you may find this hard to grasp Pete,but there is life beyond Guernsey :-)


And finally who could possibly leave Humble Fred And The Blue Streaks :evil:

Choc Dee, for the record I have traveled and lived outside of Gsy so that scuppers your theory. Equally, it matters not one bit if I have never left the island I can still have an opinion of a wide spectrum of issues and events so stop being so blinkered.

What theory ?

OK, your opinion and not theory (incorrect choice of words there) and your opinion at times are both rude and not constructive. If Terry praises the island he was born in then what is so wrong with this. You say you lived in Gsy so there must be something you liked about it. At least the likes of Terry and I do not hide behind a pudendum
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plimmerton811 wrote:You can have an opinion of a wide spectrum but without leaving the "rock" you can not have a true opinion of what happens elsewhere. For instance you can read what it is like living at a Polar ice station and form an opinion but without the experience the opinion has to be slightly flawed. Living and travelling elsewhere certainly broadens your knowledge base and opens you up to what is happening in the bigger world.

Yes, ones outlook and opinion of the world increases with the reality of seeing and doing but if one does not do this it does not make them 'blinkered' or 'narrow minded'. When travel was not accessible for all the only way to see the world was via books the same principle applies with the internet and TV
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Pete Burtenshaw wrote:

Chok Dee Ja wrote:

Pete Burtenshaw wrote:

Chok Dee Ja wrote:Nothing wrong with praising any place but there needs to be a bit of realism involved,i also find it very hard to believe that people walk away from their happiest times of their lives,you normally leave somewere either because your unhappy or you want to improve yourself,if neither of these happen when you move, its normal to return back home.

The fact he didnt return home,may suggest hes happier were he is :roll:

I know you may find this hard to grasp Pete,but there is life beyond Guernsey :-)


And finally who could possibly leave Humble Fred And The Blue Streaks :evil:

Choc Dee, for the record I have traveled and lived outside of Gsy so that scuppers your theory. Equally, it matters not one bit if I have never left the island I can still have an opinion of a wide spectrum of issues and events so stop being so blinkered.

What theory ?

OK, your opinion and not theory (incorrect choice of words there) and your opinion at times are both rude and not constructive. If Terry praises the island he was born in then what is so wrong with this. You say you lived in Gsy so there must be something you liked about it. At least the likes of Terry and I do not hide behind a pudendum
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Opinion on what ? I already replied to your answer on Terry and he replied stating a slightly different view than his first one and agreeing someparts of my comments,its my choice what user name i use on this or any forum,i know you very well and you use to drink with me most weeks in the foresters maybe a bit of old age is creeping into the mind of Peter Burtenshaw

qing gei wo laidan pi jiu?

So does the lack of info mean that BF has dug his heels in and weathered the storm in good old Gsy tradition and can now continue

The world has moved on.

yep Sark news took over

I'm looking forward to a debate in the near future so I can work out who the crass apologists are. Presumably, whoever is in charge of the Code of Practice complaints also needs to report.

Apart from watching as the labourers fixed a hole in a pipe, what good has he done? Serious question - I want to know why he is deemed 'too valuable' to lose.

Good question, but too valuable to who? To the Gsy public or to politicians who are able to manipulate him as opposed to having a strong character who would forge their own way.

Because of suggesting and supporting tenders for vastly overpriced schemes (I have to presume that this is because of 'contacts' in the industry that will make a pretty penny), honking off racist jokes in front of the gathered media, barely scraping in at successive polls, scrapping popular recycling schemes, what is there that the Guernsey person can deem 'valuable'. He has a lot of support (so Trott tells us) in the States and in public, but why? Is it because he stayed up late whilst people's homes were being pumped full of sewage? is that it?

Please, someone that knows him - or his work, fill me in!

DEPUTY Bernard Flouquet is refusing to resign despite an independent panel finding that he breached the States members’ code of conduct over racist remarks made at a press conference.
The issue will be debated by the House after a three-man panel recommended that he should be formally reprimanded,
In the background is a motion of no confidence that, if placed and backed by the Assembly, would remove him from his deputy chief minister post. Deputy Flouquet said he did not object to the panel’s findings.
‘Once again, I express my deepest regret and apology for the embarrassment caused by my indiscretion and the perceived failure to conduct myself “…in a manner which would tend to maintain and strengthen the public’s trust and confidence in the integrity of the States of Deliberation [Rule 8 of the Code of Conduct for States’ Members]”,’ he said.
‘The past month has been a time of reproach for me, only relieved by the overwhelming number of personal messages of support and encouragement: face-to-face, by telephone, in letters, emails and those published in the Guernsey Press. I thank you all.
‘Because of the considerable public support and given that I have the confidence and support of the majority of the Policy Council and fellow States members I shall seek the views of my colleagues in the States of Deliberation before deciding what action to take.’ (from thisisguernsey)

So he doesn't object to the findings of the independent panel into the Code of Conduct? He doesn't object! That's to say he MIGHT have objected!

Overwhelming support?

The honking pomposity of this man will get him through this embarrassment at the detriment to the political process. 900 odd votes and he thinks he's the guy to run Guernsey. Unbelievable arrogance.

Itr is so easy to say, @I have overwhelming support" but this must be balanced by the overwhelming condemnation. Note he does not mention how many emails he has had or approaches from people who totally disagree with his comments.

Maybe their busy sorting out compensation for Landsbanki clients

All blown out of proportion. Unfortunate considering his status, but a joke is a joke, end of!

guinness wrote:All blown out of proportion. Unfortunate considering his status, but a joke is a joke, end of!

Where does a "joke" become and insult, and how do you categorise a joke. Does someone have to laugh in the company that you are telling it to. If yes then this was no joke cause there was one of those deafening silences and offence was caused.

Thistle you are obviously very bigoted in your views. Of course it's inappropriate to tell racist jokes about Micks, Jocks, and Paddies!

WAKE UP!!!

not in the least bit bigoted.just feel this has been blown out of all proportion.

This from Channel -online.


Guernsey's Deputy Chief Minister Bernard Flouquet will face a vote of no confidence at January's States meeting.

There are calls for him to resign after a joke he made at a press conference in November.

Deputy Leon Gallienne is proposing the vote.

It will be in the form of a Billet and debated in the normal way.

He says the Deputy Chief Minister has to answer for what he's done.

That will be interesting. I can't see the States voting him out because it is the same people voting that put him in and if it is as most suspect, people get voted in because of their usefulness to others, then I think he will still be there at the end of January and I sincerely hope that I am wrong. Fair play to Leon and I hope he is successful.

if this group want him out they must have someone to take his place!

Unfortunately, this has become personal and the original issue has been sidelined.

I feel (although I could be wrong) that the vote of confidence is more about a power struggle and factions within the States than about a badly told joke.

Spirit, you are probably correct. But BF put himself in the position for a "coup" and if we go all the way back to the original issue he should not be ousted he should resign for showing a lack of decorum and intelligence and thereby letting his electorate and Island down on the world stage.

Leave the guy alone. There are much more important things to worry about than a badly told joke. This whole saga has been blown out of all proportion by a very active minority.

Quite right there are more things to worry about, for instance why is a senior politician telling this type of joke?

The issue is not how he told the joke (badly or not) it is what the content was and why he considered a racist joke to be worthy of a media meeting which in turn showed very poor understanding on BF's part.

I agree with the thought already stated here that he should resign as the Deputy Chief Minister - but he is a reasonable and fair person and does a lot better than some of his other ministerial colleagues so should stay in the States.

Has this 'gaffe' had anything to do with the lack of 'Honours' being granted to anyone in the Bailiwick this year? Hmm..... I wonder!!

I find the " im going to knock youre f'in teeth out " more of a problem.

my sentiments exactly gimp.twotty should have resigned as chief minister.