Unemployment Up

My parents taught me that you have to WORK for a living and if that is doing something you do not particularly like as a stop gap until you find something you do like so be it . As for lazy i would say yes we have had some at work who just do not want to work and will do anything so that you will get rid of them so they can go back to sign on saying the job was not suitable . There should be very few unemployed on this island only the unemployable like Wayside has said . My advice to them is go to work you might even learn something and enjoy it.

What makes me mad is seeing them wandering the streets (after midday they don't get up until then) moaning that there is nothing to do. Get them cleaning the streets or doing charity work so they can say well at least i did something constructive this week.

Pete Burtenshaw wrote:

Wayside your idea of having two lists, one for those who are deemed unemployable and those who are employable sounds plausible in another spectrum but in this day and age of political correctness it could be looked on as fascist ideology i.e. WW2 and discriminatory giving those who are labeled unemployable the possibility of winning a discriminatory court case and suing our gov’s ass.

You dont have to discriminate against people they do it themselves by not working for over 6 months or by not keeping jobs more than a week or two at a time year after year, these are unemployable by the fact they cant or WONT keep a job.

Set up a unit that in order for them to claim unemployment benifit they have to attend at 9am ever day (give them bus passes if needed) but if they are not there they get nothing, that will at least get them out of bed.

There should be facilities for them to apply for jobs but if they are not activly looking for work , make them either do some work even if its only cutting up yesterdays presses and catagorising the articals and adverts, the idea is not to earn from them (although if there is somthing they can do that can help fund their benefit that would be better) but to make sure they realise you have to earn money not get it given for nothing.

Nobody should get money for not even trying year after year and there are several that do.

I dont care what they do with these people as long as they get them out of bed, keep them off the streets and dont just give them a paycheque each week for doing absolutly nothing for in some cases years.

So what do you think should be done with them, that's not something not PC or against the poor things human rights. :Mad1:

Not all employers do pay guest workers "lousy rates" also not all employers have guest workers in poor acommodation, my first encounter with employing guest workers was only a a couple of years ago even though I had been a director of a company for a couple of years before, I had no Idea what the conditions were that the staff were in.

When I took over control, and I saw the conditions they were in, and the pay they were getting, within 3 weeks all staff were moved and wages increased.

I do know that its not the same everywhere as I was talking to an ex employee last night and was told how bad the acommodation and working conditions are where he is now.

Having said that his wages were better where he is now but he said he would rather work for me for less because of the way he is treated.

So level of pay is not everthing, and to be honest the level of wages are to a degree dictated by the amount people are willing to pay for food and services I dont think there are many places, but may be a few, that are making a huge profit from paying low wages in Guernsey.

I can assure you that most of the people that are unemployed and have been for several months would never get a job for me as I have interviewed several and they just dont want to work.

Also I have 2 businesses one is all local staff and I cant really imagine using Guest Workers the other is a mixture and there are not enough local workers with either the expierience or more imprortanly the inclination to do some of these jobs.

Guest workers in Hotels, Restaurants, Horticulture etc are not a threat to local jobs as locals dont want the jobs anyway, the ones in the trades and some shops are taking local jobs and should be monitored.

But take them all away and the Islands grinds to a halt

I know a Latvian carpenter who was working for RG but has now returned home, he was being paid the same rate as local chippies.

Pete, If there are thousands of local jobs being taken by non locals and only about 100 employable locals that are unemplyed to do them, who would do all these jobs if we kicked them out?

A lot of employers who are looking for staff will have to accept below the standard that they want because there is actually a big staff shortage in the Island,

If the pool of unemployed people was say 600 then you would see a lot of people currently employed loose there jobs as they only have one because there is nobody better available.

You are seeing many guest workers now arranging there own acommodation and demanding higher wages in the Building trade as Spirit said.

Many KPs are still taking home about £150.00 clear after Tax, Insurance, Food and Acommodation, that may seem a low wage but how many so called low paid locals are saving Over £100 a week

Lately I have noticed that your posts dont make a whole lot of sense to me, and you dont seem to understand mine as you keep changing the meaning of what I write to suit yourself,

Or maybe I am not bright enough to understand you.

Unemployment in Guernsey's seen a drop in the last month. At the end of
August, 275 people were claiming benefits, ten less than at the end of July.
The figure's still higher than this time last year, when it stood at 257.

10 less... not a lot

at the end of the summer (SOON) there will be a big rise as a few places are about to close.

It makes you wonder where they get there facts from, you only have to speak to people to know they are hurting and I know of 2 businesses that have been going for 30+ Years about to close there doors and a few others that will close if things dont change soon.

There are also many retail businesses including a couple of big ones, that are not making a living from there own trade that are now switching to selling products from other trades, and this in turn is causes a problem for that trade.

Unemployment in Guernsey has gone up by more than 25% over the past year, according to the latest figures.

They show that 284 people are now out of work in the island, compared to a figure of 219 this time last year.

The total unemployment figure represents 0.86% of the island's working population.

Out of the 284 unemployed, 19 people are taking part in community and environmental projects, and 69 are in part-time or casual work. (from BBC News)

Its going to be a hard winter for some... and not going to get any better

25% of sod all is still pretty insignificant.

Why the obsession with outside builders ? If you owned a company and needed for example 50 skilled workers and after your interviews the best credentials were from uk who would you employ ?

I dont understand your give locals a chance first mentality,there are hundreds of locals working abroad should they all be forced to come back home?

I think some of your viewpoints are living in the dark ages.

Chok Dee Ja wrote:Why the obsession with outside builders ? If you owned a company and needed for example 50 skilled workers and after your interviews the best credentials were from uk who would you employ ?

I dont understand your give locals a chance first mentality,there are hundreds of locals working abroad should they all be forced to come back home?

I think some of your viewpoints are living in the dark ages.

I for one would rather put money in a locals pocket then an outsiders so please explain what the problem is with this principle?

Nothing wrong with it,personally i would pick the best qualified persons for the job,their birthplace would be irrelevant to me.

If you selected your team of local workers and the salaries worked out 100k a year more than you could have paid to other suitably qualified people,would you still be happy to stay with your "local pocket principal"

Unemployment up again..

298 unemployed

Its going to get far worse....

Chok Dee Ja wrote:Nothing wrong with it,personally i would pick the best qualified persons for the job,their birthplace would be irrelevant to me.

If you selected your team of local workers and the salaries worked out 100k a year more than you could have paid to other suitably qualified people,would you still be happy to stay with your "local pocket principal"

local people anytime.

GD, yes unemployment will get worse so the less we let in the better and the more we let out the better.........

Its not all about numbers its more about having the right people for the jobs available, Theres still seems to be jobs available but the unemplyed still rise because they are not suited to the jobs

why are they not suited to the jobs.surely this is where training comes in or don't employers bother to train staff anymore.

Thistle wrote:why are they not suited to the jobs.surely this is where training comes in or don't employers bother to train staff anymore.

good point thistle........